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Potato salad
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DavidW
2008-01-01 03:52:32 UTC
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Hello,

There was a takeaway chicken place near me a while ago that had a wonderful
potato salad that contained no mayonnaise. It consisted of cooked potato pieces
with an oily surface, a little parsley and it tasted a bit spicy. Later on it
had mayonnaise in it (maybe they changed cooks, or owners), and now the place
is a fish & chip shop, so I can't get it any more. Every other potato salad
I've seen anywhere is saturated in mayonnaise. I would appreciate a potato
salad recipe without mayonnaise that fits my description above.

I hate mayonnaise.

David
ant
2008-01-01 06:01:48 UTC
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Post by DavidW
Hello,
There was a takeaway chicken place near me a while ago that had a
wonderful potato salad that contained no mayonnaise. It consisted of
cooked potato pieces with an oily surface, a little parsley and it
tasted a bit spicy.
That reminds me of a middle eastern spud salad, I don't have the recipe but
I've tasted something like that in Greek/Lebo/Turkish/arab type places.
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2008-01-01 06:22:44 UTC
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Post by DavidW
Hello,
There was a takeaway chicken place near me a while ago that had a
wonderful potato salad that contained no mayonnaise. It consisted of
cooked potato pieces with an oily surface, a little parsley and it
tasted a bit spicy. Later on it had mayonnaise in it (maybe they
changed cooks, or owners), and now the place is a fish & chip shop,
so I can't get it any more. Every other potato salad I've seen
anywhere is saturated in mayonnaise. I would appreciate a potato
salad recipe without mayonnaise that fits my description above.
I hate mayonnaise.
David
So there is 2 of us in this world that hate mayonnaise!
Guessing the potato had olive oil on it unless it was tangy - sorry can't
help as I don't do salads
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2008-01-01 07:37:18 UTC
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http://www.lifestylefood.com.au/recipes/results.asp?include=potato+salad+&exclude=mayonnaise&cuisine=&show=&chef=&x=56&y=20
Post by DavidW
Hello,
There was a takeaway chicken place near me a while ago that had a wonderful
potato salad that contained no mayonnaise. It consisted of cooked potato pieces
with an oily surface, a little parsley and it tasted a bit spicy. Later on it
had mayonnaise in it (maybe they changed cooks, or owners), and now the place
is a fish & chip shop, so I can't get it any more. Every other potato salad
I've seen anywhere is saturated in mayonnaise. I would appreciate a potato
salad recipe without mayonnaise that fits my description above.
I hate mayonnaise.
David
Zebee Johnstone
2008-01-01 08:32:55 UTC
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In aus.food on Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:52:32 +1100
Post by DavidW
with an oily surface, a little parsley and it tasted a bit spicy. Later on it
had mayonnaise in it (maybe they changed cooks, or owners), and now the place
is a fish & chip shop, so I can't get it any more. Every other potato salad
I've seen anywhere is saturated in mayonnaise. I would appreciate a potato
salad recipe without mayonnaise that fits my description above.
No idea about that description, but this works:

1 teaspoon chopped mint
a little salt
2-3 teaspoons vinegar
small teaspoon sugar

Use various root vegies - sweet potato, potato, carrot, even a little
parsnip

steam vegies till tender, cut small, 3-4mm thick, 1-2cm long.
stir sauce into cooked vegies by folding

garnish with mint.


Those amounts do several small potatoes, experiment.

The sugar cuts the vinegar, the mint gives a nice flavour for summer.

Zebee
Phred
2008-01-01 11:33:38 UTC
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Post by DavidW
Hello,
There was a takeaway chicken place near me a while ago that had a wonderful
potato salad that contained no mayonnaise. It consisted of cooked potato pieces
with an oily surface, a little parsley and it tasted a bit spicy. Later on it
had mayonnaise in it (maybe they changed cooks, or owners), and now the place
is a fish & chip shop, so I can't get it any more. Every other potato salad
I've seen anywhere is saturated in mayonnaise. I would appreciate a potato
salad recipe without mayonnaise that fits my description above.
I hate mayonnaise.
G'day David,

If you google "potato salad -mayonnaise" [note the minus sign] you'll
get a nice long list of pages to look through. :-) As I'm not sure
exactly what you're after, I'll leave it to you to check out the first
screen or two of the recipes listed -- and, if you do find what you
want there, please tell the rest of us about it!

Cheers, Phred.
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MG
2008-01-01 15:20:03 UTC
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Post by DavidW
Hello,
There was a takeaway chicken place near me a while ago that had a wonderful
potato salad that contained no mayonnaise. It consisted of cooked potato pieces
with an oily surface, a little parsley and it tasted a bit spicy. Later on it
had mayonnaise in it (maybe they changed cooks, or owners), and now the place
is a fish & chip shop, so I can't get it any more. Every other potato salad
I've seen anywhere is saturated in mayonnaise. I would appreciate a potato
salad recipe without mayonnaise that fits my description above.
I hate mayonnaise.
David
My Italian mother makes an "Italian" potato salad (that's what SHE calls it
lol)

additions to the cooked diced potato are simply the following (quantities
are to taste), then mixed well

salt
pepper (fresh ground or pre-ground)
chopped parsley
EV olive oil, or even "ordinary" olive oil
a little lemon juice

very nice either warm or cold
ant
2008-01-01 23:37:40 UTC
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Post by MG
My Italian mother makes an "Italian" potato salad (that's what SHE
calls it lol)
additions to the cooked diced potato are simply the following
(quantities are to taste), then mixed well
salt
pepper (fresh ground or pre-ground)
chopped parsley
EV olive oil, or even "ordinary" olive oil
a little lemon juice
very nice either warm or cold
Thsi sounds like it might be it?
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DavidW
2008-01-02 00:24:49 UTC
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Post by ant
Post by MG
My Italian mother makes an "Italian" potato salad (that's what SHE
calls it lol)
additions to the cooked diced potato are simply the following
(quantities are to taste), then mixed well
salt
pepper (fresh ground or pre-ground)
chopped parsley
EV olive oil, or even "ordinary" olive oil
a little lemon juice
very nice either warm or cold
Thsi sounds like it might be it?
Yes, it certainly looks about right. I'm just not sure if the "hot" taste the
salad at the chicken place had was simply pepper. My mother made some potato
salad for the Christmas barbecue and she put dill seeds in it, which tasted a
little hot (at least, nothing else I know of that she put in it was hot; I don't
know anything about dill). You could see the seeds, though, and I don't remember
seeing them at the chicken place.

Thanks for the other comments and suggestions too.

P.S. My mother also makes it with mayonnaise, which she says is needed to bind
it. (Just don't bind it then, I would say.) I implored her to put some aside
without mayonnaise for me, which she did.
canetoad
2008-01-02 02:21:33 UTC
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Post by DavidW
Thanks for the other comments and suggestions too.
P.S. My mother also makes it with mayonnaise, which she says is needed to bind
it. (Just don't bind it then, I would say.) I implored her to put some aside
without mayonnaise for me, which she did.
No disrespect to your mum, but I don't think you necessarily need to
'bind' the components of a potato salad.

I make a lot of them and rarely use mayo, generally just a little oil,
herbs and spices for the dressing. If you want to try a creamier
dressing, whisk together a little sour cream, an equal amount of olive
oil and a splash of white vinegar. Works really well with fresh herbs.

As far as the spiciness goes, I guess that's up to your personal taste
and your favourite combinations of flavours.
ant
2008-01-02 01:50:54 UTC
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Post by canetoad
Post by DavidW
Thanks for the other comments and suggestions too.
P.S. My mother also makes it with mayonnaise, which she says is
needed to bind it. (Just don't bind it then, I would say.) I
implored her to put some aside without mayonnaise for me, which she
did.
No disrespect to your mum, but I don't think you necessarily need to
'bind' the components of a potato salad.
I make a lot of them and rarely use mayo, generally just a little oil,
herbs and spices for the dressing. If you want to try a creamier
dressing, whisk together a little sour cream, an equal amount of olive
oil and a splash of white vinegar. Works really well with fresh herbs.
Yum yum yum! I find I don't enjoy mayonnaise any more. It always seems too
sweet, it has an "off" taste and it's just wrong.

Lemon or nice vinegar would give the tang, too.
Post by canetoad
As far as the spiciness goes, I guess that's up to your personal taste
and your favourite combinations of flavours.
Yep. Dill isn't spicy! It's the herb they put in pickled gherkins.

Maybe the one in the shop put in a little chilli powder, it might have been
the pepper.... fresh basil can add a real spicy kick when it's raw in
salads. Paprika?

When I taste food I like, I'll often go and just play to try and replicate
the recipe.
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2008-01-02 01:59:40 UTC
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Post by ant
I find I don't enjoy mayonnaise any more. It always seems too
sweet, it has an "off" taste and it's just wrong.
Oddly enough, I've gone (US style) to mayo on sandwiches in
preference to butter. Not the 'lite' styles, and always made with
eggs.
Post by ant
Yep. Dill isn't spicy! It's the herb they put in pickled gherkins.
And on tomatoes as they fry ...
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ant
2008-01-02 02:24:56 UTC
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Post by ant
I find I don't enjoy mayonnaise any more. It always seems too
sweet, it has an "off" taste and it's just wrong.
Oddly enough, I've gone (US style) to mayo on sandwiches in
preference to butter. Not the 'lite' styles, and always made with
eggs.
Yank mayonnaise, oddly, has less sugar in it than Australian. Hellmans is
quite nice.
But there's still that slight off taste. It might just be me.
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2008-01-02 03:01:39 UTC
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Post by ant
Post by Craig Welch
Post by ant
I find I don't enjoy mayonnaise any more. It always seems too
sweet, it has an "off" taste and it's just wrong.
Oddly enough, I've gone (US style) to mayo on sandwiches in
preference to butter. Not the 'lite' styles, and always made with
eggs.
Yank mayonnaise, oddly, has less sugar in it than Australian. Hellmans is
quite nice.
But there's still that slight off taste. It might just be me.
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I put mayonnaise on my potato salad, but then I make my own mayonnaise. It's
not sweet and not verysour/tangy either (depends how much vinegar or lemon
juice I put in). My mum, on the other hand, uses vinaigrette - 2 Tsp evoo to
1 Tsp white wine vinegar. She may or may not add salt, pepper, herbs. It's
very nice.

If I remember correctly, Elizabeth David advocates putting vinaigrette on
the potatoes while they're still warm, then mixing mayo through when they
cool. She says it makes the salad lighter, which sounds reasonable.

Liz
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2008-01-02 08:08:30 UTC
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Post by ant
Yum yum yum! I find I don't enjoy mayonnaise any more. It always seems too
sweet, it has an "off" taste and it's just wrong.
It's quick and easy to make yer own... or use sour cream or even yoghurt
in your own version of mayonnaise?
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2008-01-03 02:00:26 UTC
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Post by canetoad
No disrespect to your mum, but I don't think you necessarily need to
'bind' the components of a potato salad.
I make a lot of them and rarely use mayo, generally just a little oil,
herbs and spices for the dressing. If you want to try a creamier dressing,
whisk together a little sour cream, an equal amount of olive oil and a
splash of white vinegar. Works really well with fresh herbs.
Mustards (my fave is Dijon for this) are good emulsifiers for acid (citrus
juice/vinegars) and oils too. It could also be the 'spicy' note, depending
on the mustard of course. What it sounds like the OP is after is basically
a vinaigrette to dress their 'tatos; and like you say below there's no limit
as to what you can chuck in them flavour wise.
Post by canetoad
As far as the spiciness goes, I guess that's up to your personal taste and
your favourite combinations of flavours.
DavidW
2008-01-03 02:36:15 UTC
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Post by "Michael" @hotmail.com>
No disrespect to your mum, but I don't think you necessarily need to 'bind'
the components of a potato salad.
I make a lot of them and rarely use mayo, generally just a little oil, herbs
and spices for the dressing. If you want to try a creamier dressing, whisk
together a little sour cream, an equal amount of olive oil and a splash of
white vinegar. Works really well with fresh herbs.
Mustards (my fave is Dijon for this) are good emulsifiers for acid (citrus
juice/vinegars) and oils too. It could also be the 'spicy' note, depending on
the mustard of course. What it sounds like the OP is after is basically a
vinaigrette to dress their 'tatos; and like you say below there's no limit as
to what you can chuck in them flavour wise.
No, there isn't, but when you are just trying to replicate something you've
tasted you don't necessarily have any idea what might produce that flavour, and
if you aren't a cook you are left to pretty much guessing what to try. I make a
magnificent spaghetti sauce, a superb beef stroganoff and a glorious boiled
chocolate cake, but that's about it and I can't reverse engineer anything, not
even a potato salad. I had hoped there was a widely accepted potato salad
recipe.
canetoad
2008-01-03 03:41:26 UTC
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Post by DavidW
No, there isn't, but when you are just trying to replicate something you've
tasted you don't necessarily have any idea what might produce that flavour, and
if you aren't a cook you are left to pretty much guessing what to try. I make a
magnificent spaghetti sauce, a superb beef stroganoff and a glorious boiled
chocolate cake, but that's about it and I can't reverse engineer anything, not
even a potato salad. I had hoped there was a widely accepted potato salad
recipe.
Aye, there is. Boiled, cubed potatoes with lashings of mayo and some
mint or parsley if yer feeling flash.
Moses Lim
2008-01-03 06:21:03 UTC
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Post by canetoad
Post by DavidW
No, there isn't, but when you are just trying to replicate something
you've tasted you don't necessarily have any idea what might produce that
flavour, and if you aren't a cook you are left to pretty much guessing
what to try. I make a magnificent spaghetti sauce, a superb beef
stroganoff and a glorious boiled chocolate cake, but that's about it and
I can't reverse engineer anything, not even a potato salad. I had hoped
there was a widely accepted potato salad recipe.
Aye, there is. Boiled, cubed potatoes with lashings of mayo and some
mint or parsley if yer feeling flash.
I think there is also a variation where the potato is cubed into largish
chunks, slightly deep fried (or more if you like) and the usual olive oil,
greens, etc are thrown in. Pretty sure there is no mayo in this variation
though.
Moses Lim
2008-01-03 06:16:15 UTC
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Post by canetoad
No disrespect to your mum, but I don't think you necessarily need to
'bind' the components of a potato salad.
I make a lot of them and rarely use mayo, generally just a little oil,
herbs and spices for the dressing. If you want to try a creamier
dressing, whisk together a little sour cream, an equal amount of olive
oil and a splash of white vinegar. Works really well with fresh herbs.
the mustard of course. What it sounds like the OP is after is basically
a vinaigrette to dress their 'tatos; and like you say below there's no
limit as to what you can chuck in them flavour wise.
I make a magnificent spaghetti sauce, a superb beef
stroganoff and a glorious boiled chocolate cake, but that's about it and I
can't reverse engineer anything, not even a potato salad. I had hoped
there was a widely accepted potato salad recipe.
Hm, reverse engineering, eh? I sorta had this image of a "mad
scientist"-looking person with bubbling test tubes, etc and a large bowl of
potato salad. :)
"Michael" @hotmail.com>
2008-01-04 01:11:58 UTC
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Yeah it is hard to guess the ingredients sometimes. About the best I can
give you is the widely accepted vinaigrette, i.e. 3 parts EVOO to 1 part
acid (lemon/vinegar), but I prefer 3:2 especially if using decent vinegar
like 'Forum'. Then garlic, shallots (not the oft miss labelled scallions,
spring onions, etc.), mustard('Hot English' for a kick), and herbage.

Here's a simple one that'd be good on 'tatos even if it isn't exactly the
same:
http://recipes.epicurean.com/recipe/22622/basic-vinaigrette-or-french-dressing.html


How about sharing the recipes you do well? I love a good feed of spaghetti
and beef strog; normally on separate occasions though.
Post by DavidW
No, there isn't, but when you are just trying to replicate something
you've tasted you don't necessarily have any idea what might produce that
flavour, and if you aren't a cook you are left to pretty much guessing
what to try. I make a magnificent spaghetti sauce, a superb beef
stroganoff and a glorious boiled chocolate cake, but that's about it and I
can't reverse engineer anything, not even a potato salad. I had hoped
there was a widely accepted potato salad recipe.
DavidW
2008-01-04 03:39:50 UTC
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Yeah it is hard to guess the ingredients sometimes. About the best I can give
you is the widely accepted vinaigrette, i.e. 3 parts EVOO to 1 part acid
(lemon/vinegar), but I prefer 3:2 especially if using decent vinegar like
'Forum'. Then garlic, shallots (not the oft miss labelled scallions, spring
onions, etc.), mustard('Hot English' for a kick), and herbage.
Here's a simple one that'd be good on 'tatos even if it isn't exactly the
http://recipes.epicurean.com/recipe/22622/basic-vinaigrette-or-french-dressing.html
Thanks. Not sure about the vinegar, though. I've never liked vinegar-based
dressing on salads.
How about sharing the recipes you do well? I love a good feed of spaghetti
and beef strog; normally on separate occasions though.
Pasta meat sauce
----------------
olive or vegetable oil
2 onions, chopped
3 cloves garlic, crushed
800g minced steak
1 dessert spoon dried oregano
1 dessert spoon dried mixed herbs
salt, pepper to taste
375g jar tomato paste
water

In a cast-iron frying pan, fry the onions and all but about 1/2 clove of the
garlic in a little oil at medium to high heat until brown, stirring constantly.
Add the minced steak, oregano, mixed herbs, salt and pepper and mix and break up
the meat constantly at high heat until the meat is brown and dry (near burning
is not too dry). Turn off the heat and add the tomato paste, about 1+1/4
tomato-paste jars of water and the remaining small portion of garlic. Turn the
heat on low and mix thoroughly. Simmer uncovered in the pan for two hours,
stirring well whenever the mixture begins to dry out at the bottom (after about
15 minutes at first, then about every 10 minutes). Stir in more water as
necessary, particularly in the second hour, to prevent the sauce drying too
much. For storage, cover the pan with cling wrap and stand for several hours to
cool, then transfer to a container, seal it and refrigerate. It will keep for at
least two weeks.

NOTES
- The sauce should end up a beautiful dark brown; it changes from red to brown
and gets darker during simmering.

- I have doubts about the necessity of all that garlic with the onions; I think
the heat largely destroys it by the time the tomato paste goes in, so I'm not
sure it does anything at all, but the garlic later on makes a big difference.

- I think the cast-iron pan is important. I tried a non-stick pan once (one of
those black-ice things) and the sauce wasn't nearly as good; it ended up more
red than brown.

- I guessed the quantities of herbs. I just chuck them in, but I think I've got
them about right.

- I use quite a lot of pepper; I like the sauce to be a little hot

- The sauce is very tasty, so you don't need to use a lot; one batch is enough
for 8 to 10 meals, where one meal is about 200g spaghetti (uncooked weight).

- It likes plenty of parmesan cheese. I use powdered Perfect brand. I know this
is considered pretty crappy quality (it came near last in a recent Choice
magazine test), but I've tried "real" parmesans and I didn't think they went
well with the sauce because they are too strong. The sauce seems to like (or it
might just be me) a large quantity of cheese, so it needs to be mild. I find
Perfect to be, well, perfect for it.

- I use La Molisana spaghetti; it's easily the best quality commercial pasta I
know of.
"Michael" @hotmail.com>
2008-01-07 01:33:35 UTC
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Post by "Michael" @hotmail.com>
Here's a simple one that'd be good on 'tatos even if it isn't exactly the
http://recipes.epicurean.com/recipe/22622/basic-vinaigrette-or-french-dressing.html
Thanks. Not sure about the vinegar, though. I've never liked vinegar-based
dressing on salads.
Like any recipe really a lot is dependent on the quality of the ingredients,
in this case the vinegar, but I think it'd be too rich without some sort of
counterpoint to the EVOO. The aforementioned Forum brand is 'the shit'. Or
just use lemons.
Post by DavidW
Post by "Michael" @hotmail.com>
How about sharing the recipes you do well? I love a good feed of
spaghetti and beef strog; normally on separate occasions though.
Pasta meat sauce
----------------
olive or vegetable oil
2 onions, chopped
3 cloves garlic, crushed
800g minced steak
1 dessert spoon dried oregano
1 dessert spoon dried mixed herbs
salt, pepper to taste
375g jar tomato paste
water
In a cast-iron frying pan, fry the onions and all but about 1/2 clove of
the garlic in a little oil at medium to high heat until brown, stirring
constantly. Add the minced steak, oregano, mixed herbs, salt and pepper
and mix and break up the meat constantly at high heat until the meat is
brown and dry (near burning is not too dry). Turn off the heat and add the
tomato paste, about 1+1/4 tomato-paste jars of water and the remaining
small portion of garlic. Turn the heat on low and mix thoroughly. Simmer
uncovered in the pan for two hours, stirring well whenever the mixture
begins to dry out at the bottom (after about 15 minutes at first, then
about every 10 minutes). Stir in more water as necessary, particularly in
the second hour, to prevent the sauce drying too much. For storage, cover
the pan with cling wrap and stand for several hours to cool, then transfer
to a container, seal it and refrigerate. It will keep for at least two
weeks.
NOTES
- The sauce should end up a beautiful dark brown; it changes from red to
brown and gets darker during simmering.
- I have doubts about the necessity of all that garlic with the onions; I
think the heat largely destroys it by the time the tomato paste goes in,
so I'm not sure it does anything at all, but the garlic later on makes a
big difference.
- I think the cast-iron pan is important. I tried a non-stick pan once
(one of those black-ice things) and the sauce wasn't nearly as good; it
ended up more red than brown.
- I guessed the quantities of herbs. I just chuck them in, but I think
I've got them about right.
- I use quite a lot of pepper; I like the sauce to be a little hot
- The sauce is very tasty, so you don't need to use a lot; one batch is
enough for 8 to 10 meals, where one meal is about 200g spaghetti (uncooked
weight).
- It likes plenty of parmesan cheese. I use powdered Perfect brand. I know
this is considered pretty crappy quality (it came near last in a recent
Choice magazine test), but I've tried "real" parmesans and I didn't think
they went well with the sauce because they are too strong. The sauce seems
to like (or it might just be me) a large quantity of cheese, so it needs
to be mild. I find Perfect to be, well, perfect for it.
- I use La Molisana spaghetti; it's easily the best quality commercial
pasta I know of.
Cheers for the recipe. You can keep your cheese though. ;) Have you tried
genuine parmigiano reggiano? It's pretty unobtrusive.

Do you ever put canned tomatoes in too, or just paste?
DavidW
2008-01-08 00:00:38 UTC
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Cheers for the recipe. You can keep your cheese though. ;) Have you tried
genuine parmigiano reggiano?
Yes, that's exactly what I tried, on my sauce, after I read the Choice
cheese-expert rated parmesan cheese test. Nice cheese, but it didn't suit the
sauce very well. As I said, I like a lot of cheese. I like to pile it on so the
sauce can't be seen any more, and then more. I like the sauce to be stringy with
melted cheese. The combination is delicious, but with so much cheese it has to
be pretty mild.
Post by "Michael" @hotmail.com>
It's pretty unobtrusive.
Maybe it's unobtrusive as high-quality cheeses go, but it was too obtrusive for
the sauce in the amount that I like.
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Do you ever put canned tomatoes in too, or just paste?
I haven't tried tomatoes. I've thought of replacing the paste with tomatoes, but
I think it would take too many. I hadn't thought of paste plus tomatoes. Maybe
I'll try it next time, but the sauce is already pretty much how I like it. It's
my staple diet, BTW. I never tire of it, and it's far superior to, and certainly
tastier than, typical restaurant spaghetti sauce, IMHO :-).
"Michael" @hotmail.com>
2008-01-10 07:05:19 UTC
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Post by "Michael" @hotmail.com>
Cheers for the recipe. You can keep your cheese though. ;) Have you
tried genuine parmigiano reggiano?
Yes, that's exactly what I tried, on my sauce, after I read the Choice
cheese-expert rated parmesan cheese test. Nice cheese, but it didn't suit
the sauce very well. As I said, I like a lot of cheese. I like to pile it
on so the sauce can't be seen any more, and then more. I like the sauce to
be stringy with melted cheese. The combination is delicious, but with so
much cheese it has to be pretty mild.
Ah well, each to his own. It'll certainly save you some money not buying
the genuine article! :) Stringy melted cheese conjures up images of
mozzarella for me.
Post by DavidW
Post by "Michael" @hotmail.com>
Do you ever put canned tomatoes in too, or just paste?
I haven't tried tomatoes. I've thought of replacing the paste with
tomatoes, but I think it would take too many. I hadn't thought of paste
plus tomatoes. Maybe I'll try it next time, but the sauce is already
pretty much how I like it. It's my staple diet, BTW. I never tire of it,
and it's far superior to, and certainly tastier than, typical restaurant
spaghetti sauce, IMHO :-).
Well that's all that really matters. Here's a very different one that I
use, obviously it won't be as intensely flavoured with tomato as yours...

Spaghetti Bolognese

Ingredients:

2 tbsp olive oil
1 med. onion, chopped
1/4 cup pancetta, proscuitto, or bacon
1 carrot, finely diced (grated if you abhor carrot chunks)
1 stalk celery, finely diced
3 cloves garlic, minced
750g / 250g mixture of lean minced beef / pork
1 cup dry white wine
1/2 cup milk
Pinch of grated nutmeg
1 400g can of whole Roma tomatoes, roughly chopped with a knife
(If using fresh tomatoes, press tomatoes through a colander to remove excess
liquid and discard the seeds)
2 tbsp tomato paste or blitzed sundried (you'll need to use an awful lot of
sun-dried tomatoes to get the equivalent strength of the tomato paste, but
the results will be better)
2 bay leaves
3 tsp fresh thyme, parsley and oregano
a handful of chopped basil
1/2 cup of Parmigiano Reggiano, freshly grated
Fresh parsley and extra basil for garnish: roughly chopped


Method:

Heat oil over medium-high heat; saute onion, pancetta, carrot and celery
until there's a bit of brown, before adding the garlic and cooking until
fragrant.


Add both minced meats and cook, stirring until beef is no longer pink. Do
not brown too much.


Pour in wine, reduce until almost entirely evaporated.


Reduce heat to medium and add milk, salt, pepper and nutmeg; reduce until
milk has evaporated too.


Add tomatoes, tomato paste/sundried, herbs and bring to gentlest simmer,
stirring occasionally, for 2 hours or until thickened. Add a fraction of
water if necessary to stop it catching.


Discard bay leaf and serve with the Parmesan, parsley & basil.


I enjoyed this with spaghetti, but the rest of my family enjoy it more as a
lasagne the next day.
DavidW
2008-01-10 22:46:16 UTC
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Post by "Michael" @hotmail.com>
Cheers for the recipe. You can keep your cheese though. ;) Have you tried
genuine parmigiano reggiano?
Yes, that's exactly what I tried, on my sauce, after I read the Choice
cheese-expert rated parmesan cheese test. Nice cheese, but it didn't suit the
sauce very well. As I said, I like a lot of cheese. I like to pile it on so
the sauce can't be seen any more, and then more. I like the sauce to be
stringy with melted cheese. The combination is delicious, but with so much
cheese it has to be pretty mild.
Ah well, each to his own. It'll certainly save you some money not buying the
genuine article! :) Stringy melted cheese conjures up images of mozzarella
for me.
Well, maybe not so stringy - not like mozzarella anyway - but certainly very
cheese-laced sauce.
Post by DavidW
Post by "Michael" @hotmail.com>
Do you ever put canned tomatoes in too, or just paste?
I haven't tried tomatoes. I've thought of replacing the paste with tomatoes,
but I think it would take too many. I hadn't thought of paste plus tomatoes.
Maybe I'll try it next time, but the sauce is already pretty much how I like
it. It's my staple diet, BTW. I never tire of it, and it's far superior to,
and certainly tastier than, typical restaurant spaghetti sauce, IMHO :-).
Well that's all that really matters. Here's a very different one that I use,
obviously it won't be as intensely flavoured with tomato as yours...
It doesn't really taste of tomato. Obviously that much tomato is going to make a
big difference to the overall taste, but you don't taste it and think "That's
tomato", like you would, say, the tomato on a pizza. My theory is that the
simmering process in the cast-iron pan is hotter than it would be in a non-stick
pan or a saucepan, which is why the tomato becomes more brown than red, and the
browning makes it lose its "tomato-ness". It's mostly the quantity of herbs that
make it extra tasty.
Spaghetti Bolognese
2 tbsp olive oil
1 med. onion, chopped
1/4 cup pancetta, proscuitto, or bacon
1 carrot, finely diced (grated if you abhor carrot chunks)
1 stalk celery, finely diced
3 cloves garlic, minced
750g / 250g mixture of lean minced beef / pork
1 cup dry white wine
1/2 cup milk
Pinch of grated nutmeg
1 400g can of whole Roma tomatoes, roughly chopped with a knife
(If using fresh tomatoes, press tomatoes through a colander to remove excess
liquid and discard the seeds)
2 tbsp tomato paste or blitzed sundried (you'll need to use an awful lot of
sun-dried tomatoes to get the equivalent strength of the tomato paste, but the
results will be better)
2 bay leaves
3 tsp fresh thyme, parsley and oregano
a handful of chopped basil
1/2 cup of Parmigiano Reggiano, freshly grated
Fresh parsley and extra basil for garnish: roughly chopped
Heat oil over medium-high heat; saute onion, pancetta, carrot and celery until
there's a bit of brown, before adding the garlic and cooking until fragrant.
Add both minced meats and cook, stirring until beef is no longer pink. Do not
brown too much.
This is an interesting point, and a complete departure from mine. My sister
(whose recipe my sauce is) was most emphatic that the meat be very thoroughly
cooked and dry, but for other dishes she is of the minimal-cooking school, e.g.,
her roast lamb and beef is quite pink inside and she's happy eating a steak
that's drowning in blood.
Pour in wine, reduce until almost entirely evaporated.
Reduce heat to medium and add milk, salt, pepper and nutmeg; reduce until milk
has evaporated too.
Add tomatoes, tomato paste/sundried, herbs and bring to gentlest simmer,
stirring occasionally, for 2 hours or until thickened. Add a fraction of
water if necessary to stop it catching.
Discard bay leaf and serve with the Parmesan, parsley & basil.
I enjoyed this with spaghetti, but the rest of my family enjoy it more as a
lasagne the next day.
Thanks for that. It's certainly very different, with far more ingredients.
"Michael" @hotmail.com>
2008-01-14 04:54:51 UTC
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Post by DavidW
It doesn't really taste of tomato. Obviously that much tomato is going to
make a big difference to the overall taste, but you don't taste it and
think "That's tomato", like you would, say, the tomato on a pizza. My
theory is that the simmering process in the cast-iron pan is hotter than
it would be in a non-stick pan or a saucepan, which is why the tomato
becomes more brown than red, and the browning makes it lose its
"tomato-ness". It's mostly the quantity of herbs that make it extra tasty.
I guess that's the beauty of tomato paste and slow cooking it. Come to
think of it, that's the only time I reckon you should use it, as it has an
awful acrid taste when it hasn't been cooked out. I remember my mum used to
use tomato paste as a base for pizzas... yuck!
ant
2008-01-15 10:30:25 UTC
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Post by DavidW
It doesn't really taste of tomato. Obviously that much tomato is
going to make a big difference to the overall taste, but you don't
taste it and think "That's tomato", like you would, say, the tomato
on a pizza. My theory is that the simmering process in the cast-iron
pan is hotter than it would be in a non-stick pan or a saucepan,
which is why the tomato becomes more brown than red, and the
browning makes it lose its "tomato-ness". It's mostly the quantity
of herbs that make it extra tasty.
I guess that's the beauty of tomato paste and slow cooking it. Come
to think of it, that's the only time I reckon you should use it, as
it has an awful acrid taste when it hasn't been cooked out. I
remember my mum used to use tomato paste as a base for pizzas... yuck!
I've never been able to make paste work for me. I'm currently loving the
various Coles brands of tomatoes in a tin. You cook 'em and they taste
lovely. You cook 'em some more, and they just kind of meld into something
special.

There's a great sauce that's so simple, and so bloody good!

Empty some tinned roma tomatoes into a pan, and heat it. Also, peel a large
onion, cut it in 2, and place the 2 bits in. And sick a large lump of butter
in. Like, a 3rd of a block. A Lot.

Simmer all that to bubbling, and let it gently bubble.

When your pasta is ready, you are "meant" to take the onions out and
discard, but I serve them on the side. You make sure it's all nicely mixed,
check for salt, and put on your pasta.

Very special. (got from cookbook of the son of Claudia Hazan).
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Liz
2008-01-15 22:37:38 UTC
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Post by "Michael" @hotmail.com>
Post by DavidW
It doesn't really taste of tomato. Obviously that much tomato is
going to make a big difference to the overall taste, but you don't
taste it and think "That's tomato", like you would, say, the tomato
on a pizza. My theory is that the simmering process in the cast-iron
pan is hotter than it would be in a non-stick pan or a saucepan,
which is why the tomato becomes more brown than red, and the
browning makes it lose its "tomato-ness". It's mostly the quantity
of herbs that make it extra tasty.
I guess that's the beauty of tomato paste and slow cooking it. Come
to think of it, that's the only time I reckon you should use it, as
it has an awful acrid taste when it hasn't been cooked out. I
remember my mum used to use tomato paste as a base for pizzas... yuck!
I've never been able to make paste work for me. I'm currently loving the
various Coles brands of tomatoes in a tin. You cook 'em and they taste
lovely. You cook 'em some more, and they just kind of meld into something
special.
There's a great sauce that's so simple, and so bloody good!
Empty some tinned roma tomatoes into a pan, and heat it. Also, peel a
large onion, cut it in 2, and place the 2 bits in. And sick a large lump
of butter in. Like, a 3rd of a block. A Lot.
Simmer all that to bubbling, and let it gently bubble.
When your pasta is ready, you are "meant" to take the onions out and
discard, but I serve them on the side. You make sure it's all nicely
mixed, check for salt, and put on your pasta.
Very special. (got from cookbook of the son of Claudia Hazan).
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Almost anything with that much butter is going to be good! I'll be trying
that.

Actually reminds me of my favourite lentil recipe, except that in it the
onion is chopped, there are anchovies, and the butter (HALF a block) gets
melted in at the end. Yum.

Liz

mªdcªt
2008-01-03 13:02:56 UTC
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Post by DavidW
Hello,
There was a takeaway chicken place near me a while ago that had a wonderful
potato salad that contained no mayonnaise. It consisted of cooked potato pieces
with an oily surface, a little parsley and it tasted a bit spicy. Later on it
had mayonnaise in it (maybe they changed cooks, or owners), and now the place
is a fish & chip shop, so I can't get it any more. Every other potato salad
I've seen anywhere is saturated in mayonnaise. I would appreciate a potato
salad recipe without mayonnaise that fits my description above.
I hate mayonnaise.
Was the takeaway chicken shop run/owned by a persons specific ethnic
group? If so and we knew which, we could probably guess the
ingredients...

In the meantime, could your "spiciness" have been a bit of cayenne
pepper?

I've been trying to "reverse engineer" the grilled baby octopus from
Diathenes (?sp) in Sydney, with limited (albeit taaaasty!) success.
I've deduced the ingredients thus far to be olive oil, lemon juice,
cayenne pepper, and paprika...and maybe honey to caramelise the occy.
Yum!

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Nina Pretty Ballerina
2008-01-13 10:25:13 UTC
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Post by DavidW
Hello,
There was a takeaway chicken place near me a while ago that had a wonderful
potato salad that contained no mayonnaise. It consisted of cooked potato pieces
with an oily surface, a little parsley and it tasted a bit spicy. Later on it
had mayonnaise in it (maybe they changed cooks, or owners), and now the place
is a fish & chip shop, so I can't get it any more. Every other potato salad
I've seen anywhere is saturated in mayonnaise. I would appreciate a potato
salad recipe without mayonnaise that fits my description above.
I hate mayonnaise.
David
how do you feel about natural yoghurt in the potato salad?
DavidW
2008-01-13 21:56:38 UTC
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Post by Nina Pretty Ballerina
how do you feel about natural yoghurt in the potato salad?
I've never tried it, but it doesn't sound good. I don't want any kind of goo on
my potato salad.
Narelle
2008-01-14 03:46:10 UTC
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Post by Nina Pretty Ballerina
how do you feel about natural yoghurt in the potato salad?
I've never tried it, but it doesn't sound good. I don't want any kind of goo on
my potato salad.
I make PS this way:
Chat potatoes, unpeeled(depending on size, cut in half or left whole)
cooked till tender, but firm.
whilst still warm, drizzle juice of 1 lime over

just before serving, drizzle more, to taste, then add some basil leaves,
ripped.

Serve warmish, or refrigerated, whichever you prefer.

N
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