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Craig Welch
2007-12-10 06:34:22 UTC
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I bought some packed Silverside from the local butcher. On the
ingredients list was:

Salt, mineral salt(450), sugar, sodium nitrate(250), antioxidate
[sic.] (300), flavouring and water added.
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FarmI
2007-12-10 08:57:43 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
I bought some packed Silverside from the local butcher. On the
Salt, mineral salt(450), sugar, sodium nitrate(250), antioxidate
[sic.] (300), flavouring and water added.
I don't think any of these sound too odd. I have at some stage read about
how to make corned beef and I seem to recall that it used to use saltpetre
which is potassium nitrate (preservative and colour fixative) which is what
250 does. I don't think it would be too different to silverside. BTW, 250
is actually sodium nitrite.

See: http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/additives2.html
Craig Welch
2007-12-10 09:34:31 UTC
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Post by FarmI
Post by Craig Welch
I bought some packed Silverside from the local butcher. On the
Salt, mineral salt(450), sugar, sodium nitrate(250), antioxidate
[sic.] (300), flavouring and water added.
I don't think any of these sound too odd. I have at some stage read about
how to make corned beef and I seem to recall that it used to use saltpetre
which is potassium nitrate (preservative and colour fixative) which is what
250 does. I don't think it would be too different to silverside. BTW, 250
is actually sodium nitrite.
See: http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/additives2.html
Don't you see anything missing from the ingredients list?
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Horry
2007-12-10 09:41:31 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Post by FarmI
Post by Craig Welch
I bought some packed Silverside from the local butcher. On the
Salt, mineral salt(450), sugar, sodium nitrate(250), antioxidate
[sic.] (300), flavouring and water added.
I don't think any of these sound too odd. I have at some stage read about
how to make corned beef and I seem to recall that it used to use saltpetre
which is potassium nitrate (preservative and colour fixative) which is what
250 does. I don't think it would be too different to silverside. BTW, 250
is actually sodium nitrite.
See: http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/additives2.html
Don't you see anything missing from the ingredients list?
Actually, I think you'll find silverside is nothing more than solid-state
brine, flavoured to taste.
Craig Welch
2007-12-10 09:49:36 UTC
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Post by Horry
Post by Craig Welch
Post by FarmI
Post by Craig Welch
I bought some packed Silverside from the local butcher. On the
Salt, mineral salt(450), sugar, sodium nitrate(250), antioxidate
[sic.] (300), flavouring and water added.
I don't think any of these sound too odd. I have at some stage read about
how to make corned beef and I seem to recall that it used to use saltpetre
which is potassium nitrate (preservative and colour fixative) which is what
250 does. I don't think it would be too different to silverside. BTW, 250
is actually sodium nitrite.
See: http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/additives2.html
Don't you see anything missing from the ingredients list?
Actually, I think you'll find silverside is nothing more than solid-state
brine, flavoured to taste.
And very well flavoured it is! I feed it to all the crew, along with the
occasional lime. And rum.
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Spice West
2007-12-10 09:42:22 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Post by FarmI
Post by Craig Welch
I bought some packed Silverside from the local butcher. On the
Salt, mineral salt(450), sugar, sodium nitrate(250), antioxidate
[sic.] (300), flavouring and water added.
I don't think any of these sound too odd. I have at some stage read about
how to make corned beef and I seem to recall that it used to use saltpetre
which is potassium nitrate (preservative and colour fixative) which is what
250 does. I don't think it would be too different to silverside. BTW, 250
is actually sodium nitrite.
See: http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/additives2.html
Don't you see anything missing from the ingredients list?
You mean the ' May contain meat products ' warning hehehe

Regards
Dean

Spice West

http:www.spicewest.com.au
Craig Welch
2007-12-10 09:53:09 UTC
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Post by Spice West
Post by Craig Welch
Post by FarmI
Post by Craig Welch
I bought some packed Silverside from the local butcher. On the
Salt, mineral salt(450), sugar, sodium nitrate(250), antioxidate
[sic.] (300), flavouring and water added.
I don't think any of these sound too odd. I have at some stage read about
how to make corned beef and I seem to recall that it used to use saltpetre
which is potassium nitrate (preservative and colour fixative) which is what
250 does. I don't think it would be too different to silverside. BTW, 250
is actually sodium nitrite.
See: http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/additives2.html
Don't you see anything missing from the ingredients list?
You mean the ' May contain meat products ' warning hehehe
That's it!
Post by Spice West
http:www.spicewest.com.au
From your homepage: "No orders to big or to small"
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Spice West
2007-12-10 10:28:57 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Post by Spice West
http:www.spicewest.com.au
From your homepage: "No orders to big or to small"
Uumm yea ! And your point ????

Regards
Dean

http:www.spicewest.com.au
Horry
2007-12-10 10:32:03 UTC
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Post by Spice West
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Spice West
http:www.spicewest.com.au
From your homepage: "No orders to big or to small"
Uumm yea ! And your point ????
"No orders TOO big or TOO small."
Craig Welch
2007-12-10 10:35:39 UTC
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Post by Spice West
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Spice West
http:www.spicewest.com.au
From your homepage: "No orders to big or to small"
Uumm yea ! And your point ????
It's hard to proof-read stuff that you've written, I know.

Read it very slowly ... word by word. Then you'll see the error two.
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Jeßus
2007-12-10 21:25:40 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Post by Spice West
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Spice West
http:www.spicewest.com.au
From your homepage: "No orders to big or to small"
Uumm yea ! And your point ????
It's hard to proof-read stuff that you've written, I know.
Read it very slowly ... word by word. Then you'll see the error two.
Correction - Then you'll see the error to.
FarmI
2007-12-11 07:16:25 UTC
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Post by Spice West
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Spice West
http:www.spicewest.com.au
From your homepage: "No orders to big or to small"
Uumm yea ! And your point ????
http:www.spicewest.com.au
Your web site says the following:
"About Us
Spice West was established to supply quality herbs and spices and blends.
Yes there are many other companies selling the same products but we try to
go that extra bit further. Our sales and service is second to none and our
products are fresh and made from quality ingredients.

No order is to big or to small and every order placed receives top priority
regardless of the size of the order."

This, and your sig block, says to me as a potential customer, that this
business does not pay attention to detail. If you can't get someone who can
see errors in simple English, and you can't even put a correct internet addy
in your sig block, then I wouldn't feel confident in buying from you.
Spice West
2007-12-11 08:08:10 UTC
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Post by FarmI
Post by Spice West
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Spice West
http:www.spicewest.com.au
From your homepage: "No orders to big or to small"
Uumm yea ! And your point ????
http:www.spicewest.com.au
"About Us
Spice West was established to supply quality herbs and spices and blends.
Yes there are many other companies selling the same products but we try to
go that extra bit further. Our sales and service is second to none and our
products are fresh and made from quality ingredients.
No order is to big or to small and every order placed receives top priority
regardless of the size of the order."
This, and your sig block, says to me as a potential customer, that this
business does not pay attention to detail. If you can't get someone who can
see errors in simple English, and you can't even put a correct internet addy
in your sig block, then I wouldn't feel confident in buying from you.
Yup ...I have to agree with you but as someone else pointed out - its
hard to proo fread your own material. (Not using that as an excuse
either - I stuffed up)

Thanks to those folks who pointed out my errors. The net addy was just
a case of mistyping as its not an auto insert type.

Who needs a spell checker / grammer checker when you have usenet :-)

I also had a chuckel at Craigs reply when he also made a typo (Two)
Seems even good grammer students get it wrong sometimes as well ! ;-)

Regards
Dean

http://www.spicewest.com.au
Horry
2007-12-11 09:10:20 UTC
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Post by Spice West
Post by FarmI
Post by Spice West
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Spice West
http:www.spicewest.com.au
From your homepage: "No orders to big or to small"
Uumm yea ! And your point ????
http:www.spicewest.com.au
"About Us
Spice West was established to supply quality herbs and spices and blends.
Yes there are many other companies selling the same products but we try to
go that extra bit further. Our sales and service is second to none and our
products are fresh and made from quality ingredients.
No order is to big or to small and every order placed receives top priority
regardless of the size of the order."
This, and your sig block, says to me as a potential customer, that this
business does not pay attention to detail. If you can't get someone who can
see errors in simple English, and you can't even put a correct internet addy
in your sig block, then I wouldn't feel confident in buying from you.
Yup ...I have to agree with you but as someone else pointed out - its
hard to proo fread your own material. (Not using that as an excuse
either - I stuffed up)
Thanks to those folks who pointed out my errors. The net addy was just
a case of mistyping as its not an auto insert type.
Who needs a spell checker / grammer checker when you have usenet :-)
I also had a chuckel at Craigs reply when he also made a typo (Two)
Seems even good grammer students get it wrong sometimes as well ! ;-)
Yup. Murphy's Law in action, methinks.
ant
2007-12-11 09:37:28 UTC
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Post by Spice West
I also had a chuckel at Craigs reply when he also made a typo (Two)
Seems even good grammer students get it wrong sometimes as well ! ;-)
Good what?
I'm assuming that was intentional?
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Phred
2007-12-11 15:26:13 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, Spice West <***@spicewest.KOM.au> wrote:
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Post by Spice West
I also had a chuckel at Craigs reply when he also made a typo (Two)
Seems even good grammer students get it wrong sometimes as well ! ;-)
G'day mate,

Seems you also have trouble recognizing impertinent Oz humour. :-)

Cheers, Phred.
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ant
2007-12-10 10:24:44 UTC
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Post by Spice West
Post by Craig Welch
Post by FarmI
Post by Craig Welch
I bought some packed Silverside from the local butcher. On the
Salt, mineral salt(450), sugar, sodium nitrate(250), antioxidate
[sic.] (300), flavouring and water added.
I don't think any of these sound too odd. I have at some stage
read about how to make corned beef and I seem to recall that it
used to use saltpetre which is potassium nitrate (preservative and
colour fixative) which is what 250 does. I don't think it would be
too different to silverside. BTW, 250 is actually sodium nitrite.
See: http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/additives2.html
Don't you see anything missing from the ingredients list?
You mean the ' May contain meat products ' warning hehehe
The butcher we get sausages from has a similar list of ingredients on the
package. Except it never mentions meat. There's definitely meat in there,
but according to teh ingredients, a veggo could eat them.
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FarmI
2007-12-11 07:18:01 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Post by FarmI
Post by Craig Welch
I bought some packed Silverside from the local butcher. On the
Salt, mineral salt(450), sugar, sodium nitrate(250), antioxidate
[sic.] (300), flavouring and water added.
I don't think any of these sound too odd. I have at some stage read
about how to make corned beef and I seem to recall that it used to use
saltpetre which is potassium nitrate (preservative and colour fixative)
which is what 250 does. I don't think it would be too different to
silverside. BTW, 250 is actually sodium nitrite.
See: http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/additives2.html
Don't you see anything missing from the ingredients list?
LOL. You were laying a trap and you got at least 2 of us.
mªdcªt
2007-12-11 08:05:11 UTC
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x-no-archive: yes On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:34:31 GMT, Craig Welch
Post by Craig Welch
Post by FarmI
Post by Craig Welch
I bought some packed Silverside from the local butcher. On the
Salt, mineral salt(450), sugar, sodium nitrate(250), antioxidate
[sic.] (300), flavouring and water added.
I don't think any of these sound too odd. I have at some stage read about
how to make corned beef and I seem to recall that it used to use saltpetre
which is potassium nitrate (preservative and colour fixative) which is what
250 does. I don't think it would be too different to silverside. BTW, 250
is actually sodium nitrite.
See: http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/additives2.html
Don't you see anything missing from the ingredients list?
ROFL - I didn't notice until you pointed it out!

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ant
2007-12-10 10:23:19 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
I bought some packed Silverside from the local butcher. On the
Salt, mineral salt(450), sugar, sodium nitrate(250), antioxidate
[sic.] (300), flavouring and water added.
I got a ham (Oz: haaaeeeeemmmm) from Coles (cos it was marked down!). It's
got a bone which looks like the leg bit, and a fat bulgy bit, but the
ingredients listed all this stuff like your list above (although Pork formed
the vast majority), and then at the end had a statement about being
manufactured meat. But it's not! I chopped some bits off, and it's bloody
haaeeeem.

Your list is the stuff they cure it with. In fact, it reads like it's corned
silverside.
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Phred
2007-12-10 11:01:15 UTC
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Post by ant
I got a ham (Oz: haaaeeeeemmmm) from Coles (cos it was marked down!). It's
got a bone which looks like the leg bit, and a fat bulgy bit, but the
ingredients listed all this stuff like your list above (although Pork formed
the vast majority), and then at the end had a statement about being
manufactured meat. But it's not! I chopped some bits off, and it's bloody
haaeeeem.
There was quite an outcry on the ABC Country Hour at lunch time today
about a pseudo "ham on the bone" being flogged to retailers by KR
Castlemaine this season. The local pig producers are not impressed!

Seems this so-called "ham on the bone" is a manufactured product with
real Canadian ham meat wrapped around a real Oz ham bone! (Is that
genetic engineering scaled up to full production? :-)

I gather it is being marketed labelled as "ham on the bone", but the
company doesn't expect consumers will be misled by that! (Presumably
because consumers can be assumed to be too dumb to notice and will
happily buy a sham ham. ;-)

See: <http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/2007/s2112867.htm>

<Quoting extract from above URL>
KR Castlemaine strongly rejects claims that's it trying to mislead
consumers with its processed hams.

Company chief executive, Mike Adams, says they're not breaking any
labelling laws, and the processed hams look distinctly different from
a traditional Aussie leg ham.

He doesn't think consumers will care that the meat on the ham is from
Canada, while the bone could be from an Australian pig.
</quoting>

Anyway, the good news is that the company has put only 18,000 of the
things on the market here...

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ant
2007-12-10 11:08:25 UTC
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Post by Phred
Post by ant
I got a ham (Oz: haaaeeeeemmmm) from Coles (cos it was marked
down!). It's got a bone which looks like the leg bit, and a fat
bulgy bit, but the ingredients listed all this stuff like your list
above (although Pork formed the vast majority), and then at the end
had a statement about being manufactured meat. But it's not! I
chopped some bits off, and it's bloody haaeeeem.
There was quite an outcry on the ABC Country Hour at lunch time today
about a pseudo "ham on the bone" being flogged to retailers by KR
Castlemaine this season. The local pig producers are not impressed!
Seems this so-called "ham on the bone" is a manufactured product with
real Canadian ham meat wrapped around a real Oz ham bone! (Is that
genetic engineering scaled up to full production? :-)
I gather it is being marketed labelled as "ham on the bone", but the
company doesn't expect consumers will be misled by that! (Presumably
because consumers can be assumed to be too dumb to notice and will
happily buy a sham ham. ;-)
See: <http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/2007/s2112867.htm>
<Quoting extract from above URL>
KR Castlemaine strongly rejects claims that's it trying to mislead
consumers with its processed hams.
Company chief executive, Mike Adams, says they're not breaking any
labelling laws, and the processed hams look distinctly different from
a traditional Aussie leg ham.
He doesn't think consumers will care that the meat on the ham is from
Canada, while the bone could be from an Australian pig.
</quoting>
Anyway, the good news is that the company has put only 18,000 of the
things on the market here...
Well, bugger me! I wonder if this is one of them? How bloody outrageous. I
read the label, figured they must be putting manufactured meat on the label
because they'd used some to make it look neat, or to clad it, or something.
I'd better go re-read it, to see if it says anything about Canadian pork.
bloody hell.

OK. It's a coles brand Picnic shoulder ham (haaeeeeem) semi-boneless.
It's got Pork 93%, and lots of minerals and chemicals, and water (cheats,
they puff it up with water, the yanks do that), and then at the end it says
Smoked Manufactured meat. 100% Australian Meat. I couldn't work out that
manufactured thing at all, and at $15 it was a useful bargain (and was 10%
fat which isn't bad for haaeeeem) so I got it.

And if the KR ones are Aussie bones with Canadian meat cladding, what did
they do with the aussie meat that was originally on the bone?
I suppose it's more efficient, to bring over the Canadian pork but not the
bones, which are less useful and weigh a lot.
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