Goats & rabbits [Was: TIMES: Barack Obama's Kenyan family celebrate by slaughtering bulls, chicken and goats]

[Phred]

From The Times
November 5, 2008
Barack Obama's Kenyan family celebrate by slaughtering bulls, chicken
and goats

According to the local ABC (Oz version) radio news this evening, the
Kenyan Govt has declared a national holiday on Thursday (hmm... that's
now *today* my time, YMMV :-) to celebrate.

I *assume* it will be a once-off and not an annual event there!

ObFood: Also heard on the news recently that Australians are eating
more and more goat meat as times get harder. Most of it used to be
exported and was difficult to find locally. Must check it out again.

And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here
in the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional
food of the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And
free for the catching back then. :)


Cheers, Phred.

[Ken]

Post by Phred
And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here
in the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional
food of the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And
free for the catching back then. :)

I hope they arrive here. I love rabbit. Especially in hassenfeffer(sp?).
Long ago it was available frozen - brand name Pel or something like that.
I haven't seen rabbit now for at least a decade. I can buy a domestic
locally but have to slaughter it myself - which I don't want to do.

No cottontails here I've ever seen. Just a very rare occasional jack
rabbit, and I don't think those are edible. I don't have a .22 rifle or
shotgun any more anyhow.

No butchers I know of here to ask to order.

Ken

[Michael Kuettner]

"Ken" schrieb :
<snip>

Post by Ken
I hope they arrive here. I love rabbit. Especially in hassenfeffer(sp?).

Hasenpfeffer.
Hase = hare, Pfeffer = pepper.
Hassen means to hate.

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

[Dan Abel]

Post by Michael Kuettner
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Post by Ken
I hope they arrive here. I love rabbit. Especially in hassenfeffer(sp?).

Hasenpfeffer.
Hase = hare, Pfeffer = pepper.
Hassen means to hate.

hassenpfeffer would be the dish for my wife, then. She hates pepper,
the spice. She loves bell peppers, though.

[Michael Kuettner]

Post by Dan Abel

Post by Michael Kuettner
<snip>

Post by Ken
I hope they arrive here. I love rabbit. Especially in hassenfeffer(sp?).

Hasenpfeffer.
Hase = hare, Pfeffer = pepper.
Hassen means to hate.

hassenpfeffer would be the dish for my wife, then. She hates pepper,
the spice. She loves bell peppers, though.

Ah, then she's a Pfefferhasser (someone who hates pepper).

She loves bell peppers ? OK.

One red, one green and one yellow bell pepper.
Remove seeds and stems and dice them
500 grams minced meat
One can (minimum : 500 grams) of diced tomatos
One onion, finely chopped
2 cloves of garlic, pressed
powdered caraway seed
marjoram
salt (and optionally pepper)
lard (or oil)
vinegar
pinch of sugar

Heat lard (or oil) in pot. Fry onion while stirring on high heat until it
is glassy. Add garlic and minced meat. Stir well and brown the meat
slightly.
Add the bell peppers and stir well.
Add the spices. Stir well.
Add vinegar to deglace. Drop in the tomatos.
Stir well and let it simmer.
Adjust seasonings after one hour. Let it simmer for at least another hour.
Serve with baguette or pasta.

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

[George]

Post by Ken

Post by Phred
And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here
in the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional
food of the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And
free for the catching back then. :)

I hope they arrive here. I love rabbit. Especially in hassenfeffer(sp?).
Long ago it was available frozen - brand name Pel or something like that.
I haven't seen rabbit now for at least a decade. I can buy a domestic
locally but have to slaughter it myself - which I don't want to do.
No cottontails here I've ever seen. Just a very rare occasional jack
rabbit, and I don't think those are edible. I don't have a .22 rifle or
shotgun any more anyhow.
No butchers I know of here to ask to order.
Ken

Some of the Korean markets I visit (NE US) have cleaned whole frozen
cryovac pack rabbit.

[Ken]

Post by George

Post by Ken

Post by Phred
And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here
in the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional
food of the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And
free for the catching back then. :)

I hope they arrive here. I love rabbit. Especially in
hassenfeffer(sp?). Long ago it was available frozen - brand name Pel
or something like that. I haven't seen rabbit now for at least a
decade. I can buy a domestic locally but have to slaughter it myself
- which I don't want to do.
No cottontails here I've ever seen. Just a very rare occasional jack
rabbit, and I don't think those are edible. I don't have a .22 rifle
or shotgun any more anyhow.
No butchers I know of here to ask to order.
Ken

Some of the Korean markets I visit (NE US) have cleaned whole frozen
cryovac pack rabbit.

Unfortnately no Korean, or even Chinese for that matter, markets here.
Just Mexican. I live in a southern AZ small city.

Ken

[Jewelbar]

Could you mean Hasenpfeffer? I've never heard of it, but it would mean
peppered hare in German.
As for me, I like goat, and rabbit tastes pretty good as well. :0)
Only ever had a fresh one in a stew though.
:0)
Jade.

Post by Ken

Post by Phred
And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here
in the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional
food of the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And
free for the catching back then. :)

I hope they arrive here. I love rabbit. Especially in hassenfeffer(sp?).
Long ago it was available frozen - brand name Pel or something like that.
I haven't seen rabbit now for at least a decade. I can buy a domestic
locally but have to slaughter it myself - which I don't want to do.
No cottontails here I've ever seen. Just a very rare occasional jack
rabbit, and I don't think those are edible. I don't have a .22 rifle or
shotgun any more anyhow.
No butchers I know of here to ask to order.
Ken
--
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always
remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner

[Spice West]

Post by Phred
ObFood: Also heard on the news recently that Australians are eating
more and more goat meat as times get harder. Most of it used to be
exported and was difficult to find locally. Must check it out again.
And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here
in the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional
food of the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And
free for the catching back then. :)
Cheers, Phred.

I prefer goat to lamb. Its lean and full of flavour. I live outer
metro Perth and my little shop up the road always has the frozen
rabbits.

Mmmmm underground mutton stew !

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[Jeßus]

Post by Phred
ObFood: Also heard on the news recently that Australians are eating
more and more goat meat as times get harder. Most of it used to be
exported and was difficult to find locally. Must check it out again.
And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here in
the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional food of
the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And free for
the catching back then. :)
Cheers, Phred.

I prefer goat to lamb. Its lean and full of flavour. I live outer metro
Perth and my little shop up the road always has the frozen rabbits.
Mmmmm underground mutton stew !

Mutton /Birds/ are also quite tasty.

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:39:17 +0000, Phred wrote:

<snip>

And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here in
the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional food of
the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And free for
the catching back then. :)

And still is free for the catching.
Bunny has become one of my favourite meats now, no shortage of them here
(rural NE Tas). In fact I rarely even need to leave the property for if
only after a couple of rabbits at a time.

[Phred]

Post by Michael Kuettner
<snip>

And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here in
the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional food of
the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And free for
the catching back then. :)

And still is free for the catching.
Bunny has become one of my favourite meats now, no shortage of them here
(rural NE Tas). In fact I rarely even need to leave the property for if
only after a couple of rabbits at a time.

Actually, live rabbits only arrived here in the deep north a decade or
so ago. But they were on the McBride Plateau (between Mt Garnet and
Charters Towers) at least 20 years before that. They've never been
common locally AFAIK (I saw one in the front yard on two occasions
about a week apart five years ago, but none since.)

[For those who may be reading in other parts, I should mention that my
comment " rabbit is a traditional food of the Depression era here in
Oz" applied in the southern parts of Oz, not here in the tropics.]

I'm interested in your mention of plentiful rabbits in NE Tassie.
Does that mean the populations are recovering from the attempts to
wipe them out with myxo and colichi(sp.?) or weren't those two
diseases introduced to Tasmania?

Cheers, Phred.

[Jeßus]

Post by Phred

Post by Michael Kuettner
<snip>

Post by Phred
And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here
in the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional
food of the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And
free for the catching back then. :)

And still is free for the catching.
Bunny has become one of my favourite meats now, no shortage of them here
(rural NE Tas). In fact I rarely even need to leave the property for if
only after a couple of rabbits at a time.

Actually, live rabbits only arrived here in the deep north a decade or
so ago. But they were on the McBride Plateau (between Mt Garnet and
Charters Towers) at least 20 years before that. They've never been
common locally AFAIK (I saw one in the front yard on two occasions about
a week apart five years ago, but none since.)

They're slowly adapting...
I recall seeing a feral cat near one of the Katherine gorges a bit over
20 years ago. That surprised me at the time.

Post by Phred
[For those who may be reading in other parts, I should mention that my
comment " rabbit is a traditional food of the Depression era here in
Oz" applied in the southern parts of Oz, not here in the tropics.]
I'm interested in your mention of plentiful rabbits in NE Tassie. Does
that mean the populations are recovering from the attempts to wipe them
out with myxo and colichi(sp.?) or weren't those two diseases introduced
to Tasmania?

I only moved to Tassie back in April Phred, so I don't have an
authoritive answer for you at the moment.
However, it seems clear that the myxo etc. only went so far.

I also recall back around 2003 - I was right on the coastline at Bermagui
(NSW south coast) one night and the ground was thick with bunnies.
I mean they were *everywhere*.
Theres a golden opportunity there for someone to turn that problem into a
money making venture I reckon (assuming red tape doesnt spoil things).

[Chookie]

Post by Phred
I'm interested in your mention of plentiful rabbits in NE Tassie.
Does that mean the populations are recovering from the attempts to
wipe them out with myxo and colichi(sp.?) or weren't those two
diseases introduced to Tasmania?

I know that calicivirus has been most effective in drier climates.

[Chookie]

Post by Phred
ObFood: Also heard on the news recently that Australians are eating
more and more goat meat as times get harder. Most of it used to be
exported and was difficult to find locally. Must check it out again.

AS I live close to a large Middle Eastern community, it isn't too hard to find
here. I like it.

Post by Phred
And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here
in the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional
food of the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And
free for the catching back then. :)

Hideously expensive, these days. When I started work in 1993, it was in
Redfern, ie, South Sydney Rabbitohs territory. And indeed the butcher near my
work had rabbits for $3.50 each. Very tasty (and the butcher was rather a
dish too!). Now I work near Leichhardt, where rabbits can be obtained for
$15/kg! I just can't come at it at that price.

Oh, and for a while I worked with a French guy who was completely put off by
the sight of the rabbits in the butcher's window. "It looks like a cat!"

[Phred]

Post by Chookie

Post by Phred
ObFood: Also heard on the news recently that Australians are eating
more and more goat meat as times get harder. Most of it used to be
exported and was difficult to find locally. Must check it out again.

AS I live close to a large Middle Eastern community, it isn't too hard to find
here. I like it.

Post by Phred
And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here
in the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional
food of the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And
free for the catching back then. :)

Hideously expensive, these days. When I started work in 1993, it was in
Redfern, ie, South Sydney Rabbitohs territory. And indeed the butcher near my
work had rabbits for $3.50 each. Very tasty (and the butcher was rather a
dish too!). Now I work near Leichhardt, where rabbits can be obtained for
$15/kg! I just can't come at it at that price.
Oh, and for a while I worked with a French guy who was completely put off by
the sight of the rabbits in the butcher's window. "It looks like a cat!"

Roof rabbit.

Cheers, Phred.

[Phred]

Post by Chookie

Post by Phred
ObFood: Also heard on the news recently that Australians are eating
more and more goat meat as times get harder. Most of it used to be
exported and was difficult to find locally. Must check it out again.

AS I live close to a large Middle Eastern community, it isn't too hard to find
here. I like it.

Post by Phred
And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here
in the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional
food of the Depression era here in Oz. (But fresh, not frozen. And
free for the catching back then. :)

Hideously expensive, these days. When I started work in 1993, it was in
Redfern, ie, South Sydney Rabbitohs territory. And indeed the butcher near my
work had rabbits for $3.50 each. Very tasty (and the butcher was rather a
dish too!). Now I work near Leichhardt, where rabbits can be obtained for
$15/kg! I just can't come at it at that price.

I had a closer look at the frozen ones in our local "second"
supermarket this morning. I couldn't find a weight on the label, but
the price was $25.00 each... Clearly no longer Depression fare!

Cheers, Phred.

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:12:00 +0000, Phred wrote:

<snip>

I had a closer look at the frozen ones in our local "second" supermarket
this morning. I couldn't find a weight on the label, but the price was
$25.00 each... Clearly no longer Depression fare!

Not at all surprising, when you consider the time and effort involved
getting rabbit to the supermarket. The economies of scale and existing
infrastructure compared to mass-produced 'factory' meats such as most
beef and lamb and chicken is totally different.

[Phred]

Post by Michael Kuettner
<snip>

I had a closer look at the frozen ones in our local "second" supermarket
this morning. I couldn't find a weight on the label, but the price was
$25.00 each... Clearly no longer Depression fare!

Not at all surprising, when you consider the time and effort involved
getting rabbit to the supermarket. The economies of scale and existing
infrastructure compared to mass-produced 'factory' meats such as most
beef and lamb and chicken is totally different.

Hmm... Perhaps true, but I'm not so sure. In fact, I was startled to
read on the label that these frozen rabbits were "Grain fed", which
left me imagining a rabbit feedlot out back of Bourke! (And here's me
thinking rabbits ate lettuce. ;-)

Of course, "Grain fed" may just have meant they were shot in a paddock
of wheat on the Darling Downs -- or, more likely, had no meaning at
all beyond a glib marketing phrase.

If there really are rabbit feedlots somewhere in Oz, maybe someone out
there can enlighten the rest of us? (I doubt that there would be any
in Queensland because, last time I looked, it was/is illegal to keep
the damn pests here.)

Cheers, Phred.

[FarmI]

Post by Phred
And frozen rabbits are making an appearance in our supermarkets here
in the deep north of the deep south too -- rabbit is a traditional
food of the Depression era here in Oz.

Have you checked out the price of it though? I have to pay $16 for a
rabbit.

I love bunny cooked with prunes and pine nuts.